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Lloyd



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 12:15 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

sean wrote:
I think the law requires a rifle to be used. I'm sure that guest or TD will be able to confirm or refute this.


I was quoting from the Deer Act, 1991, section 7.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

joker wrote:
Hmmm so I can shoot deer with the 12 bore in this country I thought that was only with special permision that they dont like isueing


Have you checked the BASC link?

sean
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Madman wrote:
sean wrote:
I think the law requires a rifle to be used. I'm sure that guest or TD will be able to confirm or refute this.


I was quoting from the Deer Act, 1991, section 7.


Sorry, I hadn't read your post properly so I'd missed the 12 bore bit in it.

Lloyd



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

To use a smooth bore weapon, you must prove that deer are causing SERIOUS financial damage to timber, crops, vegetables or fruit at the location where they are shot (very very difficult to prove to a court and 9 times of 10 there will be a court case! ).

The normal procedure is to complain to DEFRA who will hire a professional stalker.

Lloyd



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Deer that graze bark on "in-rotation" coppice will reduce the value at least, and kill the crop at worst. This, surely, can be seen as serious damage, Guest?...I refer you to the above Deer Act. This is a simple statement of the legal position until it is reviewed

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Do you not need either a FAC or a special note on a shot-gun cert to use a rifled slug or large shot? I have no i-deer (sorry ) but I remember this mentioned.

Would a deer carcass shot with a correct rifled round be worth more to you MM than one peppered with shot? Must have room in the freezer for some?

Lloyd



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yes to the latter....The cleaner the kill, the nicer the condition of the carcass.

To use solid shot requires a firearm certificate clearly identifying this detail, although I believe that with a standard shotgun certificate, you can purchase most if not all of the multi ball calibres...Not sure about this....Where's DS when you need him!!

I keep AAA in my ammo belt for foxes. No probs buying that and I do not have the solid shot clause on my ticket.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Here, but I think you all knew that. I deleted my cookies and can't remember my password (that's what comes of ticking the constantly logged on box) - never mind, I'll always answer a friends question.

Use of shotguns. Because it is up to you to prove damage, your case must be cast iron, ie photos of deer causing damage, times, places etc etc.

You can understand this from the point of view that if this section of the law wasn't watertight, the whole world and his brother would be out blasting at deer with 12 bores. The 12 bore even with a rifled slug is a very inhumane way to kill deer (they are about as accurate as a medieval cannon).

With AAA you won't even stop a deer at greater than 10 yards unless it's a very lucky shot.

You cannot by law use shells that contain 9 balls or less that make up the full cartridge load - ie one ounce or greater (smaller than a 12 gauge is illegal).

When you go for greater pellet diameter (and therefore less of them) you tend to get 'blown' patterns which makes the chance of a clean kill very remote.

At close range (20 yards or so) rifled slugs can be effective, but they cause trememdous tissue damage (I measured an exit wound once that was almost three feet across! ) and are not suitable for human consumption (unless you like spitting out loads of lead and bone splinters). Also the digestive system is compromised with makes it "contaminated" and unfit for the human food chain.

You do need a FAC to use rifled slugs (horrible things because you never know which direction they will go (they don't perform like a bullet) or who's kids will be hit by an ounce of toppling lead at high speed.

In addition a rifled slug can only be shot from a true cylinder shotgun (no chokes) or it will blow up in your face - nasty!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I think the password stuff is sortable, though I don't know how to do it myself. If you would like me to find out: knock once for yes, or twice for no.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I think we need to talk.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

PM me at Mrs L 's.

Lloyd



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 05 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thanks, mate, for clearing that up.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 05 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

O.K dont think I will be using the 12 Bore

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 05 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Shotguns, as night shooting, can only be used under exceptional circumstances, approved by DEFRA.

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