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Bugs



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 05 7:05 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Good point about the rue, Tawny Owl...I would not grow it, but then, I wouldn't eat it either. It's not the thing that can cause miscarriage is it? Or is that just in goats? I think I remember the blessed Bob (do you think Bob would like to join our site?!) saying that he uses it in a mixed salad sort of thing but doesn't advise it to other people for health reasons. Hmm. Perhaps I ought to read a book...a little education eh?

tawny owl



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 05 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yes, it's one to avoid during pregnancy, along with hyssop, juniper and quite a few others, even sage.

Self-sufficientish, out of pure curiosity, what do you use it for? It's not generally a culinary herb, is it? It's a bit out of the ordinary in a window box!

Tawny

cab



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 05 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I keep dried rue in, I use it for the occasional batch of sack.

selfsufficientish



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Bristol
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 05 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Well to be blunt I read that it can stop you farting, I thought my girlfriend might apprechiate it. Also it is one of the old herbs that the Romans bought over so I thought it would be nice to grow it for something different.

Haddock



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 05 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

selfsufficientish wrote:
Well to be blunt I read that it can stop you farting, I thought my girlfriend might apprechiate it.


If my wife finds out about this I'll be on a constant diet of the stuff

Perhaps I could add it to curries and chilli's.......to downsize the wind affect.

Haddock



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 05 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Almost forgot....Great article Andy.

cab



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 05 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It's certainly a roman herb... You find it mentioned by Apicius.

What's the rue plant like? I've really only ever used dried.

selfsufficientish



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 05 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Cheers Haddock glad you like the article, I think I will end up on a constant diet too

Hard to say what it is like at the moment as it is still really small, seems to be much more slow growin than the other herbs in the box. Probally because it is a hardy evergreen. By all accounts it stinks though according to a modern herbal, "The whole plant has a disagreeable and powerful odour".

Bugs



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 05 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

cab wrote:
I keep dried rue in, I use it for the occasional batch of sack.


What is sack, please?

tawny owl wrote:
Yes, it's one to avoid during pregnancy, along with hyssop, juniper and quite a few others, even sage.


Sage? Hyssop? My word, never heard of them having anything wrong with them

cab wrote:
What's the rue plant like? I've really only ever used dried.


I believe it's often grown as an ornamental, and if my identification is right my sister has some in her garden; it has unusual dark greeny/blue leaves, quite finely divided. Not going to be touching it with a bargepole...can't it also cause skin irritation/sensitivity to sunlight (a bit like parsnips..in some people)?

cab



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 05 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Parsnip will do that in some people, as will carrot in the really prone. More common, of course, is a reaction to giant hogweed, less so with hogweed and other wild umbellifers. I wouldn't go fondling hemlock, though.

Sack is a flavoured mead, it was originally meant to approximate sherry but it doesn't really. You make it as a straight mead, flavoured with rue and fennel, and allow just a touch of oxidisation.

wellington womble



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 05 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

The parsnip thing is considerably worse in sunlight, so cover up (not that I ever stay out in the sun long enough to bother!)

selfsufficientish



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 05 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Just been looking at stuff about rue and aparently Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo both claimed that rue had metaphysical powers that imporeved thier eyesight and inner vision.

tawny owl



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 05 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

selfsufficientish wrote:
Well to be blunt I read that it can stop you farting, I thought my girlfriend might apprechiate it. Also it is one of the old herbs that the Romans bought over so I thought it would be nice to grow it for something different.


Well, now we know!

Bugs wrote:
Sage? Hyssop? My word, never heard of them having anything wrong with them


Oh yes. Herbs are powerful stuff - people think they're safe because they're 'natural'. Well, so is belladonna, and as cab said, hemlock, but I woudn't go munching on them. And of course the fetus is much more sensitive to them than an adult human would be. A useful site is (http://www.compleatmother.com/articles3/weed/herbal.shtml. It's more sensible than some of the other sites on that topic, which seem designed to scare people.

Bugs wrote:
Not going to be touching it with a bargepole...can't it also cause skin irritation/sensitivity to sunlight (a bit like parsnips..in some people)?


Yes, sorry - I went a bit jargon-y there; that's the photodermatis. The juice reacts with the skin under sunlight and causes a rash. Can be quite nasty, even blistering in particularly sensitive people. Lots of other things do as well - I've even read of it happening with lemon juice. Good practice to wash hands after handling any veg or fruit if you're intending to go out in the sun afterwards.

Tawny

dougal



Joined: 15 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 05 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Nice article.

I was however slightly surprised at there being no mention of the vital importance of securing windowboxes, so that they cannot possibly fall off their windowsills. A low bar across the window is conventional, but I suppose the box could be bolted down onto the sill itself.
On the ground floor, the worst that could happen is that the plants could be damaged - BUT on higher sills, an accident could be a lethal one... and the risk increases as the plants grow, and catch the wind better!

selfsufficientish



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 05 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

One of my window boxes has a bar accross it although the other is just loose. I am on the first floor, so I guess it could be a problem. Has not been so far though so never thought of mentioning it. They are both pretty heavy boxes with pretty light plants so I feel safe with them and don't expect an accident. Perhaps I should have less of a laissez faire attiude?

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