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Viking_Chick



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 05 7:30 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Whatever you do - *don't* go for the 180acres with house in Papa Stour, Shetland on the rural scene website!

Its not the fact that it is a very small island, or the fact that there is a population of about 20, or the fact its so far north. But with a population so low you would hope for a good community spirit etc - it is totally lacking. There is a major feud that splits the island in two figuratively speaking) - I would not recommend staying somewhere so small with such major problems. The school closed - not because there were no children, but because the children's parents felt that teh teacher was biased towards the 'other side' - depsite there being no other kids on the island.

Not worth the hassle....

Nanny



Joined: 17 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 05 7:34 pm    Post subject: land prices Reply with quote    

that's awful viking

their island will surely die and then they will moan that they places will all be bought by outsiders for holiday homes instead of people who want to do something with it

it will be their own fault

wellington womble



Joined: 08 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 05 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: land prices Reply with quote    

Nanny wrote:

there is still some in montana i think........................but you would start from zero and work up - be like livingin the wild west - not easy and MILES from the nearest town


Sounds great - where do I sign? We liked montana, although we like utah better (except for the mormons, who wouldn't let me have a G and T and a glass of wine. I had to let them take my gin glass away, before they would let me have a wine glass!)

Nanny



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 05 7:48 pm    Post subject: land prices Reply with quote    

i would imagine you would apply to the land agents of the u.s. government.......start at the embassy and see what happens

that was where the land for that programme the Frontier House came from

can you shoot?

you would need to...............and i don't mean just the wild life.....

ButteryHOLsomeness



Joined: 03 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 05 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

i had an ex boyfriend that went to uni in wyoming. now this was about 15 years ago but back then the entire state only had a population of 300,000 and i can't see that number being much higher now...

montana, north and/or south dakota are also sparsely populated with a LOT of wide open and relatively flat spaces (well some are surrounded by mountains)

you'd have to be prepared for extremes in weather though and your agricultural leanings would need to be more towards livestock and less towards produce but you could have a decent life out there.

doesn't appeal to me but i'm sure it would to plenty!

i think they old land grant thing they set up back in the 1800's is still running as well though you'd have plenty of moneygrubbing company's trying to fight you for a lot of land because they want mineral and drilling rights

wellington womble



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 05 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: land prices Reply with quote    

Nanny wrote:

can you shoot?

you would need to...............and i don't mean just the wild life.....


Never saw frontier house (damn!) But I think I'd rather fight with the planning authorites than shoot the locals! At least I know the rules (even if the planning authorities don't!)

Blue Peter



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 05 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Sort of on this theme, if something is advertized as grazing land, and you wanted to change it to something else (such as more crops, trees, etc.), is this a problem?


Peter.

judith



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 05 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Blue Peter wrote:
Sort of on this theme, if something is advertized as grazing land, and you wanted to change it to something else (such as more crops, trees, etc.), is this a problem?


Potentially yes. If the land is classified "agricultural", then technically you can't dig it up and plant a veg garden. You could plough it up and put the whole field to rape or lupins, but I think that even turning it into a market garden would be a change of use.

Blue Peter



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 05 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

What about agroforestry? Is that still agricultural? And is equestrian grazing (which is what is intended for, I think) agricultural?

Presumably you need to look at the equivalent of deeds and covenants?


Peter.

judith



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 05 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If it is equestrian, then it already has the change of use from agricultural - and is probably more expensive as a result! You should be able to plant what you want, though. Don't know where agroforestry fits into the equation.

You would definitely want to check out the deeds and covenants before handing over any money.

Behemoth



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 05 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Judith wrote:
Blue Peter wrote:
Sort of on this theme, if something is advertized as grazing land, and you wanted to change it to something else (such as more crops, trees, etc.), is this a problem?


Potentially yes. If the land is classified "agricultural", then technically you can't dig it up and plant a veg garden. You could plough it up and put the whole field to rape or lupins, but I think that even turning it into a market garden would be a change of use.


Just taking a field for your own use for fruit and veg and a few animals is in effect turning it into a garden and change of use. This is why don't all do this! I think operating a commercial market garden is different but still is change of use.

Andy B



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 05 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I keep hearing rumours that their might be a change in planning laws to help self builders take some of the strain of house shortages. I will try to find the article, it was in an old Self-build mag i think.

Blue Peter



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 05 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

So, basically, if anyone wants to downsize, other than being able to buy a farm, you will have to apply for change of use on any land they acquire? Even if you say that you're going to sell some of your produce?

So, how easy is this to do?


Peter.

Behemoth



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 05 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

My limited experience is that loacal authorities are very wary of doing this as it is one step towards developing the site. I enquired about a piece of land and they were adamant that change of use would not be given as it was green belt, adjacent to but outside the village boundary. he said too many people were buying fields next to their house, incorporating it as garden and then trying to get planing permission to build in the large 'garden'.

Nanny



Joined: 17 Feb 2005
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Location: carms in wales
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 05 12:29 pm    Post subject: land prices Reply with quote    

a biggish problem round this area behemoth

seems to be the trend to buy ahouse with a nice size garden and then wack in for the planning permission, sell that bit and create a house with a small garden and 3 other houses with infinitessimal gardens but with big price tags.......

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