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Blue Sky



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 09 5:44 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Treacodactyl wrote:

I thought the cows grazing next to the poultry remains was worrying, but again, not surprising.


Me too. And you guys in the DEFRA cloak aren't even allowed to feed your pigs on the 'homegrown - organic' produce from your own garden if it has gone via the kitchen.

If I were in the UK and had livestock I would have to think twice about 'law abiding'.

Azura Skye



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 09 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I got really sad about consumerism yesterday. It's everywhere - including myself, and it's blinking annoying (and guilt inducing) when you satisfy it like a bad addiction. :/

But I think I needed to feel that because I'd gotten complacent, and there's so much more stuff I can do that's proactive and helpful. So feeling down is motivation to change sometimes!

Treacodactyl
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 09 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Simon wrote:
Treacodactyl wrote:

I thought the cows grazing next to the poultry remains was worrying, but again, not surprising.


Me too. And you guys in the DEFRA cloak aren't even allowed to feed your pigs on the 'homegrown - organic' produce from your own garden if it has gone via the kitchen.

If I were in the UK and had livestock I would have to think twice about 'law abiding'.


It's a European wide law...

Quote:
The Animal By-Products Regulation (EC) No. 1774/2002 prohibits catering waste from being fed to farmed animals. This applies in all EU member states and applied from 1 May 2003.


http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/by-prods/wastefood/cater-qa.htm

Rob R



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 09 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Treacodactyl wrote:
Simon wrote:
Treacodactyl wrote:

I thought the cows grazing next to the poultry remains was worrying, but again, not surprising.


Me too. And you guys in the DEFRA cloak aren't even allowed to feed your pigs on the 'homegrown - organic' produce from your own garden if it has gone via the kitchen.

If I were in the UK and had livestock I would have to think twice about 'law abiding'.


It's a European wide law...

Quote:
The Animal By-Products Regulation (EC) No. 1774/2002 prohibits catering waste from being fed to farmed animals. This applies in all EU member states and applied from 1 May 2003.


http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/by-prods/wastefood/cater-qa.htm


Are you not familiar with the concept of France?

Rob R



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 09 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Azura Skye wrote:
I got really sad about consumerism yesterday. It's everywhere - including myself, and it's blinking annoying (and guilt inducing) when you satisfy it like a bad addiction. :/

But I think I needed to feel that because I'd gotten complacent, and there's so much more stuff I can do that's proactive and helpful. So feeling down is motivation to change sometimes!


Yeah, definitely, and doing something positive is such a lifting experience that it really gives you a lift. I do believe people are biting back against industrial food though- the local small towns seem to be doing so much better than I remember them as a child in the '80's/90's.

Blue Sky



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 09 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rob R wrote:
Treacodactyl wrote:
Simon wrote:
Treacodactyl wrote:

I thought the cows grazing next to the poultry remains was worrying, but again, not surprising.


Me too. And you guys in the DEFRA cloak aren't even allowed to feed your pigs on the 'homegrown - organic' produce from your own garden if it has gone via the kitchen.

If I were in the UK and had livestock I would have to think twice about 'law abiding'.


It's a European wide law...

Quote:
The Animal By-Products Regulation (EC) No. 1774/2002 prohibits catering waste from being fed to farmed animals. This applies in all EU member states and applied from 1 May 2003.


http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/by-prods/wastefood/cater-qa.htm


Are you not familiar with the concept of France?


Obviousely not.

We didn't move here to live like the froggies.

Sorry.

resistance is fertile



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 09 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

There are some odd connections in the world of food waste too.

Eg, in UK waters we chuck away some 600,00 tonnes a year of freshly caught fish before it even reaches the shores/shops, purely because according to CFP regs its the wrong sort of fish!!

Iceland generates annual marine exports of around $1.4 billion from not much more than this as its entire catch.

Since the EU banned the feeding of animal waste to livestock (supposedly to stop the risk of BSE) we have mainly turned to Brazilian Soya as a source of protein.

The area needed to meet this rise in EU demand is the same as the area deforested in Brazil since 1996.

Like I said, some odd connections.

Last edited by resistance is fertile on Tue Jul 21, 09 7:51 pm; edited 1 time in total

Treacodactyl
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 09 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I think the Brits are getting more like the French every day.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 09 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Simon wrote:

Rob R wrote:
Are you not familiar with the concept of France?


Obviousely not.

We didn't move here to live like the froggies.

Sorry.


Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was referring to Treac, though

Rob R



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 09 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

resistance is fertile wrote:
Eg, in UK waters we chuck away some 600,00 tonnes a year of freshly caught fish before it even reaches the shores/shops, purely because according to CFP regs its the wrong sort of fish!!

Iceland generates annual marine exports of around $1.4 billion from not much more than this as its entire catch.

Since the EU banned the feeding of animal waste to livestock (supposedly to stop the risk of BSE) we have mainly turned to Brazilian Soya as a source of protein.


You've highlighted two of the things that bother me most in UK food there...

And as I was thinking about today- how much better off are we as a result of the legislation? Have we really saved anything equal to the cost (and I mean the full cost, not just the cost to government) of implementing & complying with this legislation? I'd like to think that the measures brought in post-FMD [or insert your crisis of choice here] would be enough to stop it happening again, but I very much doubt it. It's all fiddling about at the wrong end of the spectrum & benefiting very few.

Slim



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 09 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Unfortunately I'm done with college and back in my hometown, which doesn't have very good dumpster diving - most stores have compactors now. Maybe I should go out searching again though....

The biggest issue is that the easiest food to find thrown out is the stuff I'd care for the least (Dunkin Donuts, blech!)

twoscoops



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 09 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Sadly I think the amount of food disposed of by supermarkets is a distraction. While retailers factor in wastage to business plans they (we) are acutely aware that wastage = erosion of margin. I think that if you spread those bins of wasted food between the mouths that were fed by a shop every day then it would be tiny compared to what people bin at home, where I fancy the cost of such waste is rarely considered.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 09 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

twoscoops wrote:
While retailers factor in wastage to business plans


Yeah, like making sure it is the supplier who foots the bill

twoscoops



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 09 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

No I don't do that, I think about what I will sell and If I don't I take the hit on margin.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 09 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If only ASDA were the same hence the washed spuds warning

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