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Silas
Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 6848 Location: Staffordshire
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 09 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Jesus Christ. We are talking about washing dishes here, its not f**kin rocket science. People have been doing it for quite a long time before dishwashers were invented, it really is not difficult, time consuming or even a chore, it takes a few minuets after a meal. I really find it difficult to take on board that you 'downsizers' all have dishwashing machines. |
We have stoves as well. Ideally we should gather firewood in the bush for cooking.
Vacuum cleaners. Sure we did not need them if we lived in a cave?
Water boilers. Who needs tea? Modern invention and quite unnecessary to boot.
Electric irons. Our modern forefathers stuffed theirs with hot coals. Before that? furs do not need ironing.
Washing machines. Women should use the river. What else is it for?
Silas, this is a modern world. In many families both parents work. Time-saving household equipment makes the life of modern women bearable. There is zero - and I mean zero - need for anyone to heap more guilt on our shoulders. We have families, we organize the social life of everybody, we do all the stuff that is never credited and that needs a multi-functional brain to get off the ground. Our minds are in constant overdrive to keep the the schedules running.
Sure we use dishwashers and will do so for the rest of our lives. We will greedily grasp any new appliance which will give us space to breathe. We will chose low-power stuff and feel less guilty, but we refuse to go back to the kitchen and do our dishes barefoot and pregnant.
And we are bloody good Downsizers. The world would stop without us. |
Yes, I agree with most of what you say, but dishwashers take longer, use more energy, save no time, need you to have more crockery and cutlery than you need, cost more money to use, cost a lot to manufacture in both monetary terms and energy - what is the point? |
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cab
Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 32429
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cab
Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 32429
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mihto
Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 3273 Location: West coast of Norway
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 09 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Silas wrote: |
Yes, I agree with most of what you say, but dishwashers take longer, use more energy, save no time, need you to have more crockery and cutlery than you need, cost more money to use, cost a lot to manufacture in both monetary terms and energy - what is the point? |
Silas, you really pee me off by not understanding the most basic parts of normal living.
The point is simple: the dishwasher works for us. We need it to get through our days. You have ways of doing your stuff, we have ways of doing ours. Every single family has different needs. Every single family has a right to decide for themselves how those needs are best met without being criticized by someone who is holier -than-though.
Life is full of absolute idiotic ways to use energy and resources. Many of these are powered by the interests of men. By hitting on a relatively innocent appliance like a dishwasher you hit below the belt. Housework is in many cases still women's responsibility, even in our modern world.
Don't go there, Silas, you hurt people in a way you cannot understand. |
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nats
Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Posts: 2374 Location: Swindon but not a Swindonian
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 09 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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mihto wrote: |
Silas wrote: |
Yes, I agree with most of what you say, but dishwashers take longer, use more energy, save no time, need you to have more crockery and cutlery than you need, cost more money to use, cost a lot to manufacture in both monetary terms and energy - what is the point? |
Silas, you really pee me off by not understanding the most basic parts of normal living.
The point is simple: the dishwasher works for us. We need it to get through our days. You have ways of doing your stuff, we have ways of doing ours. Every single family has different needs. Every single family has a right to decide for themselves how those needs are best met without being criticized by someone who is holier -than-though.
Life is full of absolute idiotic ways to use energy and resources. Many of these are powered by the interests of men. By hitting on a relatively innocent appliance like a dishwasher you hit below the belt. Housework is in many cases still women's responsibility, even in our modern world.
Don't go there, Silas, you hurt people in a way you cannot understand. |
amen. Dishwashers save ME time. and my husband. We are not as super quick at doing the washing up as you. Obviously..... |
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cab
Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 32429
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 09 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Silas wrote: |
Yes, I agree with most of what you say, but dishwashers take longer, use more energy, save no time, need you to have more crockery and cutlery than you need, cost more money to use, cost a lot to manufacture in both monetary terms and energy - what is the point? |
It just seems bizarre how long some of the contributors here seem to take to do the dishes by hand. You have to accept that if it is taking them all that long to do the dishes, a diswasher represents a significant saving in time and effort. The difference of opinion is really all to do with why it takes some people so very long to do what is self evidently (to us) not that big a deal.
I can't speak for how you cook, but it isn't like our cooking is particularly un-mucky or anything. |
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cab
Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 32429
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Marionb
Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 5267 Location: Mid-Wales
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wellington womble
Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Posts: 15051 Location: East Midlands
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lottie
Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 5059 Location: ceredigion
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Jo S
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wellington womble
Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Posts: 15051 Location: East Midlands
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Silas
Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 6848 Location: Staffordshire
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Nell Merionwen
Joined: 02 Jun 2008 Posts: 16300 Location: Beautiful Derbyshire
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Gervase
Joined: 17 Nov 2004 Posts: 8655
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 09 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Oh dear, here we go again!
Shame really - bollocks is such a satisfying epithet. More satisfying than 'p££s'
But to drag the thread back to dishwashers; I don;t see why it has to be viewed as a feminist issue. I do most of the washing up at home, and, like cab and Silas, don't see it as a huge chore. I've had a dishwasher before, but it required extra plates, cutlery and glasses to get the m ost out of it, and it wasn't suitable for bone-handled knives, wooded stuff and fine china, so it was only used occasionally. I know M-J would like one, but I've no strong feelings one way or the other, and am happy to be a good little scrubber, to be honest. |
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