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Silas



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 12:58 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Behemoth wrote:
Silas wrote:
Well what you do is this;

First, make sure the plates and dishes etc are scraped properly, this does help keep the water clean. Stack you bowl before putting the water in.I always put the cutlery at the bottom of the bowl, followed by plates, dishes etc. Squirt some washing up liquid in the bowl and some onto the sponge-scourer that you are going to use and let the water run hot before starting to fill bowl, as the water in filling the bowl, use it direct from the tap to clean thhenon-greasy stuff, glasses, cups saucers and a very quick scour rond with the spongything under the tap as you fill the bowl does this fine. Then its time for the dishes, plates etc, then the pots and pans and finally, half empty the bowl and do the cutlery. Simple and quick.




If I was overly botherd about this I'd have to say I'd have to stop half way through to dry and clear the draining board as I couldn't accomodate the crockery glassware and cooking utensils and pans on the drainer at the same time. By which time the water would probably have cooled and not be much help with the pans, roasting dish etc.

If I'm doing it on my own I very often have to stop two or three times to dry the washed dishes, never been a problem though.

Jenna



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Interesting. We do have a dish washer, but we don't use it for washing up. It's a small one, and it is used for batches of jars (to recycle for jam or similar) or bottles (for wine), where you can't get your hand in very efficiently and you don't want your jam tasting of mustard or something because you haven't made a suitable job of washing by hand. Our plumbing is 'interesting', so the DW drains into a bucket, and takes probably 25l of water and an hour to run. Washing up takes a 1.5l kettle of boiling water and about the same of cold, and the thing that increases the time for us is lack of draining space. If He washes and I dry and put away, we can get a day's worth done in about 15 mins (only 2 of us). We have a system which involves soaking todays most minging pans with the end of todays washing up water and an extra 'squirt', and washing them up at the end of tomorrows washing up. (The less filthy among you would probably not get along with a system like this - but whatever we're cooking in them tomorrow will be hot enough to kill any creatures enjoying a holiday in my old washing up water). Occasionally, we are profligate and wasteful and boil an extra kettle to do the pans at the end . Still less water and leccy than the DW, and I can't be faffed waiting an hour for the DW to finish before I can have my stuff back! I don't feel defensive about having it though, and we do put stuff through it every once in a while (good for getting tea stains out of cups!) if we are feeling particularly idle!

Mrs R



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hmm I guess part of my problem is I like to do it really thoroughly if i do do it - I like the glasses done in very clean, hot soapy water, and then rinsed with cold so they're not all smudgy and greasy...that is very difficult wit no running water.

I like to soak things before washing so they're easier to clean and I can tip the dirty water out of them and it keeps my bowl water cleaner as I can't stand washing anything in dirty or cold water. For a normal wash that means refilling twice for our tiny sink which means fetching 4 pans of cold from the barrel, and boiling two kettle's worth which is 1.5pans a time. If you also do a kettle for soaking things that's another 1.5pans fetched and time waiting for the kettle.....

so I've trolled backwards and forwards to the barrel 9times and waited for the kettle to boil three times, and that's without glasses to do.

Silas



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Nat S wrote:
Hmm I guess part of my problem is I like to do it really thoroughly if i do do it - I like the glasses done in very clean, hot soapy water, and then rinsed with cold so they're not all smudgy and greasy...that is very difficult wit no running water.

I like to soak things before washing so they're easier to clean and I can tip the dirty water out of them and it keeps my bowl water cleaner as I can't stand washing anything in dirty or cold water. For a normal wash that means refilling twice for our tiny sink which means fetching 4 pans of cold from the barrel, and boiling two kettle's worth which is 1.5pans a time. If you also do a kettle for soaking things that's another 1.5pans fetched and time waiting for the kettle.....

so I've trolled backwards and forwards to the barrel 9times and waited for the kettle to boil three times, and that's without glasses to do.


You don't need a dishwasher, you just need new plumbing.

Mrs R



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

And a bigger kitchen, as moving things around like the picture puzzle also takes time.

Jonnyboy



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

cab wrote:


Belfast sinks... Great for growing carrots in or dropping a pile of muddy vegetables into, but for the standard urban or suburban home they seem to be almost the ultimate expression of style over substance. Get a proper sink with a double drainer!


Prejudicial nonsense. You can get far more into one and they are fantastic for a myriad of other uses, try washing a demi john or gutting three dozen mackerel in your ''double drainer'' and see how far you get.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Silas wrote:
You don't need a dishwasher, you just need new plumbing.


We know we need new plumbing (and we don't particularly need a dishwasher), that doesn't alter the fact that your system doesn't work without the water going cold or dirty within the time frame. We're not justifying having a dishwasher, just trying to minimise the chore of washing.

Thinking about it just now, with the temperatures needed for effective and hygienic cleaning dishwashers win over handwashing as machines can handle higher temperatures than hands can.

Silas



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rob R wrote:
Silas wrote:
You don't need a dishwasher, you just need new plumbing.


We know we need new plumbing (and we don't particularly need a dishwasher), that doesn't alter the fact that your system doesn't work without the water going cold or dirty within the time frame. We're not justifying having a dishwasher, just trying to minimise the chore of washing.

Thinking about it just now, with the temperatures needed for effective and hygienic cleaning dishwashers win over handwashing as machines can handle higher temperatures than hands can.


Rob, it's no use telling me is doesnt work , I've been doing it for 40 years - it works.

gz



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

agreed, or luxury, a Dublin sink (Double!! )

You put a plastic bowl in the sink, and it gives you splash-proof working room round the edge

Rob R



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Jonnyboy wrote:
Prejudicial nonsense. You can get far more into one and they are fantastic for a myriad of other uses, try washing a demi john or gutting three dozen mackerel in your ''double drainer'' and see how far you get.


I'd like one (and Nat definitely likes them) for washing buckets and jugs in. My gran has one and washing up at her house doesn't work with the half a bowlful of water routine and ten mins though, as it takes that amount of time and hot water just for the sink to warm up!

Silas



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rob R wrote:
Jonnyboy wrote:
Prejudicial nonsense. You can get far more into one and they are fantastic for a myriad of other uses, try washing a demi john or gutting three dozen mackerel in your ''double drainer'' and see how far you get.


I'd like one (and Nat definitely likes them) for washing buckets and jugs in. My gran has one and washing up at her house doesn't work with the half a bowlful of water routine and ten mins though, as it takes that amount of time and hot water just for the sink to warm up!


Simple, tell her to do as I do and use a plastic washing up bowl inside the sink.

Jenna



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rob R wrote:


Thinking about it just now, with the temperatures needed for effective and hygienic cleaning dishwashers win over handwashing as machines can handle higher temperatures than hands can.


Dunno, our DW has a 'thingy' that says it's 'doing it' at 55C, and I reckon that's not too scorchio for hands, particularly with a pair of trusty 'Marigolds' - will have to get thermometer out and check!

gz



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Rob R wrote:
Jonnyboy wrote:
Prejudicial nonsense. You can get far more into one and they are fantastic for a myriad of other uses, try washing a demi john or gutting three dozen mackerel in your ''double drainer'' and see how far you get.


I'd like one (and Nat definitely likes them) for washing buckets and jugs in. My gran has one and washing up at her house doesn't work with the half a bowlful of water routine and ten mins though, as it takes that amount of time and hot water just for the sink to warm up!


which is another reason for putting the water in a bowl in the sink (much as I prefer not to use plastic!)

Rob R



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Silas wrote:
Rob, it's no use telling me is doesnt work , I've been doing it for 40 years - it works.


I'm not telling you it doesn't work, I found for myself that it doesn't work, and just telling me you've been doing it for 40 years isn't going to make it work either. I'm not particularly interest whether you've been doing it 40 years or just made it up for the purposes of this thread, what I'm interested in is what makes it different for you. I'm left to assume that the place is generally warmer so that the pots are not cold when you wash up? I use water that is boiling when it goes in and then add cold until I can safely use it, but with certain items (like plates) I add it as I go along to de-grease each plate with a bit of boiling.

I'm also thinking that, perhaps, you have a bigger bowl and therefore half a bowl of water might be more than I am thinking of. I certainly do it in smaller batches to keep the water hot and clean, particularly with animal fats (including fish).

Rob R



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 10 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Jenna wrote:
Rob R wrote:


Thinking about it just now, with the temperatures needed for effective and hygienic cleaning dishwashers win over handwashing as machines can handle higher temperatures than hands can.


Dunno, our DW has a 'thingy' that says it's 'doing it' at 55C, and I reckon that's not too scorchio for hands, particularly with a pair of trusty 'Marigolds' - will have to get thermometer out and check!


Yeah, 65 C is about the top end of what I can handle with hand washing, I've always assumed the dishwasher is more efficient with heat as it is all contained- I certainly can't empty it immediately after the wash because of the heat of the pots though.

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