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StrawberryJamrozy



Joined: 19 May 2010
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Location: Hampshire
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 1:44 pm    Post subject: Bread Reply with quote
    

I just found this bread recipe, after Google'ing 'simple bread recipes'

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500g strong white flour , plus extra for dusting
2 tsp salt
7g sachet fast-action yeast
3 tbsp olive oil
300ml water


Someone smack me upside the head...'strong white flour'...plain flour? Or could I use self raising?

Penny Outskirts



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Bread Reply with quote
    

H87Jamrozy wrote:
I just found this bread recipe, after Google'ing 'simple bread recipes'

Quote:
500g strong white flour , plus extra for dusting
2 tsp salt
7g sachet fast-action yeast
3 tbsp olive oil
300ml water


Someone smack me upside the head...'strong white flour'...plain flour? Or could I use self raising?


It's special flour for breadmaking, makes it rise well, but you can just plain flour, just knead it for a bit longer.

gil
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

No, it's different again.
You want a pack of flour labelled 'strong white bread flour' (for bread and pizza bases)
Not plain, not self-raising.

StrawberryJamrozy



Joined: 19 May 2010
Posts: 1189
Location: Hampshire
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Ok thanks.

What does it mean 'knock back'?

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Knock back the dough, then gently mould the dough into a ball. Place it on the baking parchment to prove for a further hour until doubled in size.

Nightwish



Joined: 01 Sep 2009
Posts: 48
Location: Swindon
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

after the bread has risen you "punch" the air out of it.
You can do this a couple of times to make the bread softer

boisdevie1



Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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Location: Lancaster
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I make bread with bog ordinary flour and it works just fine.

Nightwish



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

you can make bread with plain flour, but strong flour has more gluten and protein in it which is ideal for bread.
As its the gluten that is needed to make it stretchy and rise (the yeast likes it more).

As has been mentioned you can do it with plain flour but it takes longer to create the gluten and can produce a heavier bread

Paul

Nick



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Location: Hereford
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

boisdevie1 wrote:
I make bread with bog ordinary flour and it works just fine.


Bog ordinary flour in the UK, from Canada, or bog ordinary French flour? Very different things.

jamanda
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Here you go again.

https://www.downsizer.net/Projects/Processing_food/_A_simple_handmade_loaf/

Sigh.

Midland Spinner



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

People often get confused by Strong vs Weak flours. I found this extract from "Bread Matters" by Andrew Whiteley helpful (the whole book is excellent and worth a read)

As far as the innate properties of the wheat are concerned, hard varieties, often associated with growing conditions in continental climates such as North America, Australia and Ukraine, generally produce 'strong' gluten, which holds together well as it stretches, but can be very elastic, with a marked tendency to shrink back. By contrast, the soft wheats of England and France tend to produce gluten that will stretch a long way but can rupture easily and has relatively little elasticity. Flours made from such wheats are often called 'weak'

In my experience, a good 'strong' (i.e. high protein) flour from British wheat will make good bread and also good pastry. I work atTuxford Windmill and we use the flour for both bread & cakes with excellent results - my boss makes the best cakes for miles around and people travel long distances to sample them and the bread she makes.

If you make bread with a weak flour (i.e. French) you may find it helpful to leave it to rise in a cloth lined basket as the Boulangeres do - the basket supports it while it's rising as the dough doesn't have the structure to stand up on it's own. When it's ready to go into the oven they deftly tip it out onto the peel and shoot it into the oven before it has time to collapse

StrawberryJamrozy



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Location: Hampshire
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I went to the shop and bought strong white bread flour.
I'm now waiting for the dough to rise in the tin, before I stick it in the oven

"sigh" Jamanda?

Jools



Joined: 28 Jul 2006
Posts: 1028
Location: South Wales
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I make bread regularly and my basic recipe is this:

500g of bread flour (I mix white and wholemeal, about 40:60% respectively)
1 teaspoon of dried yeast (I use Doves in the orange packet)
1 teaspoon of sugar
1 teaspoon of salt
About a tablespoon of olive oil
350mls of warm water. (I usually put 100mls of just boiled water in the jug, then top up with cold.)

Mix it all up in my mixer with the dough hook and leave it running for a bit, then put clingfilm over the top of the bowl. When the dough has risen to the top, I knock it back by sticking my fist into the middle and it sighs, then scrape it out and give it a quick knead and shaping and bung it into the loaf tin. Cut some slashes into the top, cover with a teatowel and let it rise again.
When it's about twice the size, bung it into a hot oven for 30ish minutes.

It's well worth making your own and contrary to popular belief, it doesn't take long. The time is spent on the rising, not the actual input from you.

Have fun!

StrawberryJamrozy



Joined: 19 May 2010
Posts: 1189
Location: Hampshire
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I've finished!

Here it is.
Not bad for my first attempt, it's a little flat and looks a bit tough, I think I made my dough too wet. But I'll leave it to cool and give it a whirl!


Penny Outskirts



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Jamanda wrote:
Here you go again.

https://www.downsizer.net/Projects/Processing_food/_A_simple_handmade_loaf/

Sigh.


pmsl

boisdevie1



Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 3897
Location: Lancaster
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 10 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

H87Jamrozy wrote:
I've finished!

Here it is.
Not bad for my first attempt, it's a little flat and looks a bit tough, I think I made my dough too wet. But I'll leave it to cool and give it a whirl!



Good for you. Try to make a few then you light the oven just once and you can freeze the rest - very downsizerish. Making your own bread is very cheap.

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