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Shan



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 2:53 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

There probably will be some queues however, bear in mind that the 27 EU members can trade freely with each other across their borders, so the impact is largely reduced for them.

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

The queues will all be reduced by not having all that traffic to & from the car plants that have moved abroad, likewise all the other industry that's running away.

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Makes one wonder why a well established German company like Thyssen Krupp would want to buy into Tata at Port Talbot,


And Australian backers to the tune of 165 million to open a coking coal colliery in Cumbria,when the bulk of that coal would go through Rotterdam.

Shan



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Ty Gwyn wrote:
Makes one wonder why a well established German company like Thyssen Krupp would want to buy into Tata at Port Talbot,


And Australian backers to the tune of 165 million to open a coking coal colliery in Cumbria,when the bulk of that coal would go through Rotterdam.


No one is saying life is going to stop but it is undeniable that the economy is going to suffer. It has already started with reduced inward investment. One thing the UK had going for it was that we were the doorway to the EU and the business environment was fairly good. We have thrown that away. I'm not sure how much we will have to lose before people decide it's not worth it.

I fear the only way people are going to realise what Brexit actually means is when it hits them in their pocket and by then it will be too late.

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Considering the high unemployment already in the EU its not going to be so rosy over there either,but of course they cannot allow us to have a decent break with common sense trade to continue as the whole place is on the verge of breaking up.

Shan



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

People have predicting the break up of the EU for some time now. It's not happened. Brits seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding about why the EU came about and what principles are important to them.

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

The 6 countries that were involved in the Iron,Steel and Coal organisation in the 50`s to help get Europe back on its feet after the destruction of the war.

Shan



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

?????

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Ty Gwyn wrote:
Makes one wonder why a well established German company like Thyssen Krupp would want to buy into Tata at Port Talbot...


Don't Tata build really really cheap cars? Or they had plans to, possibly built with low tech?
Seems ideal for post Brexit Britain.

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

That was the start of the EU

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hairyloon wrote:
Ty Gwyn wrote:
Makes one wonder why a well established German company like Thyssen Krupp would want to buy into Tata at Port Talbot...


Don't Tata build really really cheap cars? Or they had plans to, possibly built with low tech?
Seems ideal for post Brexit Britain.



I believe they do back in India,where they also built tractors and a lot of other things,also involved in coal mining.

But TATA in the UK,run Steel Works where they took of from Corus the Dutch company.

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

finton otoole has a pretty good grip of the realities and possibilities.

do i want a coking plant anywhere at the mo? not much, cumbria has enough problems without that.
their motive , it has sellafield so we can get away with owt less than that. perhaps?
do i understand correctly coal in via rott.? does that include coke out same route?
ie offshoring the messy bit to cumbria for the australians profit or have i misunderstood the nature of their game?

at a guess krupps got a bargain and/or has a plan to asset strip them of talent etc and/or to exploit a captive economy with few bits of "red tape" for special projects if they plan on staying in case of a meltdown.

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I don`t know where you got a coking plant from,that`s news to me,
Its a coking coal mine near Whitehaven.

There`s not a great need of vast amounts of coking coal in the UK at present given the number of steel works here,so its export,mainly Germany,and the coal export port for Europe is Rotterdam.


Any business must have a profit or its a dead duck,its a very ambitious project,mining far beyond any previous workings,ie.Haig,


Look it up,Woodhouse mine ,or West Cumbria Mining,they were going to be utilising the existing drifts of an Anhydrite mine,but due to pumping I realise the plan now is for new drifts,2mls to reach the reserves.

Krupps have bought into Tata,not taken over.

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

ok dig it up n ship it out is the plan .
a bit like mineral extraction in the drc or nigeria , a few local get "rich" some workers to eat when they are useful and the profits head to the foreign backers

considering we dont need more steel at the moment and we might later plus burning coal for any reason seems a little rash considering the current climate science might it be better to leave it where it is , at least until later.?

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 19 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tata and krupps may have similar plans.

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