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Shan



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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 23 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Some slightly different editing:


dpack



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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 23 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    



if there is an image on the "neg" there are many ways to "print" it

the gap between wet in the dark and leccy toys that work has been near on 2 decades for me

a pooter, camera and photoshop that works together is nice and i need to learn more about making it do what i want

in 1997 i said that dig camera and pooter was ace, but it might take a while before it would do even basic things i might ask of it
at the time tech could take 45 mins to crash while trying to collect a low res photo from a low res camera

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 23 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I think it looks more impressive in colour in that case although I was brought up with monochrome images. Some clever darkroom work would do a lot for that as well, holding back the background to make the sparrow stand out more. As with you, I haven't mastered, or even really bothered with the digital editing as I leave that to our son. I was taught to frame the photo I wanted and only take it when ready. No good for wild life of course, but when you only have 12 exposures to a film, you are a bit more careful.

I was working down the garden yesterday and a wren is building a nest in the bottom of a hazel bush near the bed I was digging. It objected very strongly and loudly to my presence although it wasn't until I saw it taking a bit of dead leaf in that I could even see where the nest was. Found a nice lot of worms in odd places which is encouraging. Less encouraging were the slugs and snails I found.

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 23 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

maybe we view photography differently, painting with light vs recording the world?

both is a reasonable ambition

some self portraits by keith

shhh, anyone can press the button, the before and after is what makes the image

double shhh, the well known sadly deceased veggie wife of a Beatle might have had a bit of help with tripods and lighting and camera tech stuff (apart from press the button) with a few of her early"get famous for snapping" photos

ps he was a nice chap, and better at snaps than the stuff that paid good money, the "hands that do dishes tune" was an accidental improvised thing from the man with the cameras, bought him a tv studio though


have a look at his images from the 60's and 70's online, it is good work

i wonder if yummersetter knew him? iirc top end snaps pro printed about the right period

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dpack



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 23 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

a different way to work with what you have on the "neg"

that is as shot from the contacts, nice snap, page was mad a recently shaken box of frogs

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dpack



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 23 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

countryfile calendar, maybe not

my "fieldcraft" for getting "close enough" to critters is so far from the style on the "wildlife" telly etc when they have the "diary bit" it is surprising they ever get any "doing what it does" footage

try to hide from an otter
seeing the ones on telly they find it funny

bimble messily to where it lives, get a brew on, cook breakfast, put up something for you and the dogs to sleep in, ask otter if it likes bacon etc

gz



Joined: 23 Jan 2009
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Location: Ayrshire, Scotland
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 23 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Dru Maryland, the artist who lives on a narrow boat, generally the K&A, sees so much.. possibly because the wildlife doesn't consider her as" Human..eek!"
Funny you should mention otters as they have been observing her!!

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 23 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

sheep do not consider me human, probably the same with wildlife

the justinsons might be a bit put out if i tried the bailey style, a few of them would wear it well

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 23 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

The otters I have met seem to be very interested in people. Admittedly they were in a sanctuary, but one was 'talking' to the person cleaning out its pool as well as having great fun with the hose. One at a Devon sanctuary goes AWOL every so often, but always come back.

We seem to have robins about at the moment, but they are either too busy to stop for a chat or we have lost our original robins and there are new ones who don't know us. I had one down the garden for several years from an young one who always came out if I was doing something interesting that might result in food and often stopped quite close, sometimes for a chat.

If you are moored up on a canal you can see a lot, particularly mornings and evenings when things are quiet. We see quite a lot driving through our woods as for some reason deer don't equate our van with people, although they took a while to accept the new one.

gz



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 23 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Walking round our village ex-opencast site now nature reserve we sometimes get observed by deer and others...as we do not walk a dog.
Generally dog walkers don't see them. The only one with dogs who does see wildlife is a local photographer whose two dogs walk and sit with him quietly.

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 23 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    



the fight started like that and got messier, for about 15 snaps, it got very savage

i recon using the 100/400 might give better resolution for the mg on detail, but it is a beast to reaction swing so the hole points at the birdy as they move about. it isn't so much it is too heavy and my cheese plate and handle thing are very nice, that it has too much momentum for fast redirecting to follow the action might be a good way to put it

100mm or so seems to work ok for ringside snaps

i will do a detail of the eye strike that shows at 2 mg, ugly

some of the others have more than a hint of restaurant tables and serious side bets

that is a quick edit, the full edits might look a bit different

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 23 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    



ouch

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 23 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

bw and a bit of layered colour detail might be fun, doves do have a rather fetching 2 tone sheen

im not sure if the camera is sketchbook or brush at the mo

a while back i had a fight like this around my feet, but no camera

re the "how to stalk or hide from wildlife" or "how to photograph birds"

im sure others have different methods but i dont usually stalk them and i adjust the lump, point the hole at the thing and press the button in a way that might get a useful image on the "neg"

ps teaching a saluki x grey to sneak up to bunnies and politely say hello and then amble off counts as stalking
adjust the lump etc is amazingly variable with good modern kit

film is nice, but it has limitations that this stuff has left in the cradle

re development vs time and price, my kit cost about a decent second hand car, to take this many snaps on film would have cost a decent house and another one to run it for a few years
and even then it would not have the adaptability to suit most needs

phone cams have improved to match compact leccy cams of a decade ago and are very capable of decent photos, in the conditions they are good at,
phone macro can be surprisingly good for tiny critters even on a £60 phone

editing software is free if "basics" are plenty for your needs, and these days basics are as good or better than most "wet printers" can ever get even on the automatic settings
it is surprisingly easy to use the average user software

gz



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 23 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

That's sounds good...just a touch of colour...

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 23 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Good pictures. Pigeons can be nasty vicious brutes at times.

We see quite a lot of deer, and you are right about dog walkers Gz. We get any number in the wood saying they have never seen any deer. Sadly, although we ask for dogs to be on a lead or under strict control, very few are. We sometimes have a dog come to see us in the private part of the woods and can hear their owner calling them from more than 100yds away. The worst we had was a husky who the owner lost and asked us to help find; it turned up about 5 miles away. A friend of ours had a couple of border collies that could be trusted around deer. He had them trained to lie and stay still as soon as he gave the order.

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