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jema
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: escaped from Swindon

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 05 2:46 pm Post subject:
I was proud not to own or have ever owned a car when I was 30. But then the sheer realities of public transport and a family in the UK got too much let alone job mobility

selfsufficientish

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 364
Location: Bristol

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 05 3:00 pm Post subject:

jema wrote:

I was proud not to own or have ever owned a car when I was 30. But then the sheer realities of public transport and a family in the UK got too much

let alone job mobility

Hmm, at 30 I can be holier than thou as I not to own or have ever owned a car. I am wondering if and when I start a family I will insist on holiday on bikes? But Surley Swindon is a big enough place to have an ok public transport system? Even ditcing the car for a bike or a bus once a week makes a difference.

jema
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 05 3:04 pm Post subject:

selfsufficientish wrote:

jema wrote:

I was proud not to own or have ever owned a car when I was 30. But then the sheer realities of public transport and a family in the UK got too much

let alone job mobility

Just about anyone "can" survive without a car, but with 4 to cart around along with pushchairs and shopping etc, you would certainly need to be holier than me!

selfsufficientish

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 364
Location: Bristol

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 05 3:14 pm Post subject:
I really can't imagine what it would be like with a family and could not say if I would 'crack' and get a car. I wonder if alternative fuels will be a viable consideration when I get a family. I also wonder if they ended up being more expensive than the conventional petrol/diesel cars if anyone would pay more?

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45434
Location: Essex

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 05 3:17 pm Post subject:

selfsufficientish wrote:

I also wonder if they ended up being more expensive than the conventional petrol/diesel cars if anyone would pay more?

There will always be a minority that would be willing to vouluntarily pay more but the bulk of people don't give a toss.

thos

Joined: 08 Mar 2005
Posts: 1139
Location: Jauche, Duchy of Brabant (Bourgogne-ci) and Charolles, Duchy of Burgundy (Bourgogne-ça)

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 05 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Uk holidays and No car.

selfsufficientish wrote:

Can anyone who cares about the environment still drive a car and go on foreign holidays by aeroplane?

As far as aircraft go, I am afraid I follow Erasmus's prayer - I need the industry to pay me until retirement and then pay my pension. The number of aircraft could reduce and emit less, so long as those people still flying are able to pay for me, and I presume piston aircraft are better than jets?

Jonnyboy

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 23956
Location: under some rain.

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 05 3:25 pm Post subject:

selfsufficientish wrote:

No you are right Tahir obviously no simple anwsers. It sometimes feels that there are precious few people that are making an effort to stop their consumption.

I have found this site which will at least cover the issue of co2 ommisons

https://www.futureforests.com/

You donate money to plant trees that ensure your carbon nutrality.

for instance one person flying from heathrow to Ibiza (not that I imagine you would go to Ibiza) will use half a tonne of Co2 one tree should cover this.

As for new zealand about 6 trees should cover it.

I don't understand this, how can my flight produce half a tonne of Co2 per person? It won't even use half a tonne of fuel per person.

farmwoody

Joined: 19 Mar 2005
Posts: 98

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 05 7:57 am Post subject:
Whats wrong with Ibiza!!! I spent a very happy 12 months on the hippy commune in Ibiza in the late 70s. Peace and love man!

Lozzie

Joined: 25 May 2005
Posts: 2595

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 05 9:06 am Post subject:

One way to salve your concience is to look at the whole caboodle in a swings and roundabouts sort of way

if you take great pains to minimise your carbon emissions (and impact generally) in the rest of your life then maybe, with the addition of planting trees etc, you can still justify flying ...

i agree that sometimes it seems almost pointless when you see how the rest of the world just carry on regardless (see my earlier thread about neighbours annoying me). as Tahir says, most people don't really give a toss

l x

nora

Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Posts: 1539
Location: West Yorkshire

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 05 7:03 pm Post subject:
UK treesponsibility holiday https://anderson.ath.cx:8000/treesponsibility/holidays/index.html These have just started up near us so I thought i'd post a link just in case anyone is interested in this kind of holiday. [Treesponsibility have been around for a while but the holidays are a new thing for them]

Jenna

Joined: 30 Sep 2005
Posts: 263
Location: Away with the fairies

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 05 3:52 pm Post subject:

Haven't been on a plane in fifteen years, and probably never will again. I've lost the desire to holiday abroad (there's so much of this country that I won't have time to see before I die, never mind the rest of the world

). We have a car though, but Phil lives quite happily with just his bike when I'm working (He does six weeks at a time on his own, but we're only five miles from town). I wouldn't give up the car, even if I was just using it as a safety net for emergiencies (midnight vet run, for eg), though we go for days at a time without using it when I'm at home. Have to be honest, it's the fuel cost that stops me using the car so much, rather than a conscious environmental effort on my part, so I guess the goverment is getting that right, however much I moan about it!

jamsam

Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 2560
Location: erm....i dont know, its dark.

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 05 12:05 pm Post subject:

im having issues in this type of area...im booked to go on a college trip to new york, which i need to complete my hours in uni. i havent used air travel for 20 years and even then it was only twice.
i use my car daily, but i lift share, holiday share and us ethe car for as many things in one trip as i can.
my main worry is that i will soon need a bigger 4x4 and thats going to be evn worse, has any one had experienc with the gas conversion? my local garage does it but i dont know how economical it really is..

Alchemist

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
Posts: 123
Location: Aberdeenshire

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 05 2:14 pm Post subject:
No real first-hand experience, but back when I dived, the guy who used to tow the club boat had a Range Rover with LPG conversion and he wouldn't be without it. Don't know about the green aspect, but from the economic point of view it was well worthwhile by all accounts (and backed up by our share of fuel costs) having seen what the thing guzzled when it was on regular unleaded.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 45521
Location: yes

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 05 5:44 pm Post subject:
why not holiday at home ? to change from your routine and do things that are fun is a definition of "holiday" arrange for others to deal with your responsibilities and enjoy

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 45521
Location: yes

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 05 5:45 pm Post subject:
p.s. i like emergency sundays ,but i am old fashioned .

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